Comments from Home page – moved 24 Dec 2013

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  1. Dear Ian,
    I am hoping to find a picture of where my ancesters used to live. On checking your website I believe this is the house in Western Road once called “Fernlea” . Could you please help me with this. I came down to see your father a couple of times when he was alive and got some very useful information at the time.
    Thank you,

    Yours sincerely,

    Kevin A Semark
    1 Scarborough Terrace, Bootham, YORK YO30 7AW

  2. Dear sir, I have enjoyed looking at your website for some now and am amazed at the pictures which have been collected. I am currently doing some research on the Otford to Maidstone railway line and am interested to study the early picture of the station with the loco No 25 Siren at the up platform. Would it be possible to see a larger scan of it to observe detail which is difficult to see on the website.
    I am a local historian and picture collector from Otford and may some pictures that will interest you.
    Many thanks Ed Thompson

  3. Frank?, Ian? Whomever it may concern,

    Richard Holland aka Richard William Hollands is my 2nd Great grandfather. Born on 20 Oct 1847 in Borough Green, Kent, England. Richard died on 28 Sep 1932 in Borough Green, Wrotham, Kent, England. He was Married to Elizabeth Ann Ridley Born on 14 July 1850 in Wrotham, Kent, England. She is not on the 1891 Census as she had died 27 October 1885 in Borough Green, Wrotham, Kent, England. They lost there first Child Richard John Hollands in 1870 at 1 week old. They also had 3 other Children all born in Borough Green not living in the Household in 1891. Most likely Married or on their own. Alfred Hollands born 1871, John Hollands born 1873 and William James Hollands born 1875.
    As far as I know John Hollands would be the first Hollands to immigrate to Canada in 1912. He Married, had a Family and He died 1945 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. Alfred Hollands “my Great Grandfather” would immigrate to Canada in 1920. He Married, had a Family and He died in St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
    William James Hollands born 1875 in Borough Green, Wrotham, Kent, England. He died in France and Flanders, WW1

    (1891 Census for England > District 5 > Wrotham > Kent > Page 35)
    227) Thong Lane, Richard Hollands, Head, Widower, Age: 42, Occupation: Railway Plate Layer, born: Borough Green, Wrotham, Kent, England
    Carry Clark (Servant) Widow 47 Housekeeper born in: Yeovil, Somersetshire, England
    Mary Hollands Daughter 14 Scholar born in: Borough Green, Wrotham, Kent, England
    Ellen Hollands Daughter 12 Scholar born in: Borough Green, Wrotham, Kent, England
    Albert Hollands Son 10 Scholar born in: Borough Green, Wrotham, Kent, England
    Charlotte Hollands Daughter 8 Scholar born in: Borough Green, Wrotham, Kent, England
    Elizabeth Hollands Daughter 6 Scholar born in: Borough Green, Wrotham, Kent, England

  4. Ian :
    Is that young man your dad, in that photo now to the right of your replies?
    He looks handsome and intelligent – those round glasses really suited him.
    James Joyce, Mohandas Gandhi and John Lennon would be quite jealous.

  5. Hello.I am looking for any information about the downed Hurricane that was shot down and crashed near Borough Green on the 27th of September 1940 (during Battle of Britain).Do you have any pictures of it,or do you know people maybe living in Borough Green that remember that accident?Thank you in advance.

  6. As one thinks of the ‘Victoria Jubilee Oak’ from time to time – likewise with “POOR TRUST IS DEAD AND BURIED YESTERDAY”.
    Many of us probably know, that this was painted on a stone with black letters on a white background. It was about 12 inches-plus high, at the base/ front of a brick or stone wall.
    I’m pretty sure that your dad has mentioned this in his writings.
    Although I observed the stone for quite a few years, I never discussed this with anyone – and sometimes wondered if it was anything to do with the Currier and Ives lithograph, ‘Poor Trust Is Dead Bad Pay Killed Him’, 1868.
    So, (a) I have forgotten where it is located; (b) when was it installed, and by which people/ whose authority?; (c) what did the words (actually) mean) ?; and (d) is it still being maintained/ re-painted? Thank you!

    • There should be a photo of it on the site and I think it’s mentioned in the book, which a search should verify (later – it’s not showing ). It’s outside the Black Horse, not far from one of the doorways. It’s shown clearly in the 1982 group of photos for Maidstone Road.

      There was some discussion about its origin. If I get a moment I’ll look in the notes Dad made about pubs to see if there is any other information which may answer (b) above. To the best of my knowledge it was/is being maintained, though it may help its cause if the other points were easily addressed.


7 responses to “Comments from Home page – moved 24 Dec 2013

  1. Ian :
    I would be interested to know about “Bangay Way”, and your feelings regarding same.

    • Somewhere on the TMBC site there is a description and drawing of the site and street names as proposed. I think that the Council has opted for Bangays Way, without an apostrophe, to the best of my knowledge. Miss Nisbet is also honoured in a similar way. In that sense it fits in with a sensible tradition of recognising villagers and their contribution to community life, which the Parish Council has historically been keen to promote.

      Personally I’d have reservations about living on the site, which I feel should have remained in industrial use offering employment opportunities to people nearby and an incentive and means to stay in the locality if they so wish. At present such opportunities are few.

      I heard report that in the past TMBC did not wish to name roads after local people. If this was the case I am glad that such a policy has been reviewed, if indeed it ever existed.

    Since Christmas time, those who have spoken to me about this cannot remember not having seen same outside the Black Horse.
    Their knowledge seems to be limited to their opinion/s, of its original meaning.
    Most have said, approximately :
    (a) It was principally meant for patrons who would run out of money.
    (b) They couldn’t ‘run a tab’.
    (c) No credit could be granted them.
    (d) They should pay before placing a hand around the glass.
    (e) And also – they mentioned that they thought it was a nice way to remind customers.

    • Personally I’d like to think that the pub landlord had a dog called Trust and to help remember it he had a stone created. It’s about as plausible as some of the other explanations.

      There’s even a song about it – search for Old trust by Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias and you’ll find it. I think it was on their “Italians from Outer Space” album

  3. I’ll check on that pronto, Ian.
    That 1868 Currier & Ives lithograph has a dog lying there with ‘Trust’ on his collar.

    What with your grandfather playing cornet with his British Legion band.
    Mike Taylor’s theme song being ‘Let’s Work Together’, by Canned Heat.
    Me being a fan of the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band from the mid 60s to mid70s (well, I saw them in Beckenham before that).
    But then you putting us all to shame with Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias.
    However, also throw in Julie Andrews at the ATC and that has been quite a sophisticated appreciation of music in BG during the last 100 years.

  4. Michael Powsey

    Dear Ian,
    We are interested in the history of number 1 and 2 Kent Cottages , now called 78 and 80 Maidstone Road, would appreciate any information you have.
    kind regards
    Mike Powsey

    • Thanks for the comment. I am afraid that living now in the North I no longer have ready access to local information. I would suggest that you search on forums for Kent history of which there are a few. What would be of general interest would be if information used by the land registry could be opened up for easy public access, such that indentures, deeds and such like might be easily viewed.

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